Comments on: Expel Ben Stein

By: ecoli

ecoli — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:33:32 +0000

The underlying tenet of science is observations… Our observations and tools that observe for us must always be used as a filter for scientific knowledge.

So, yes, our observations may be inherently ‘flawed’ which would ‘invalidate’ science.

But, because we cannot perceive the world with anything other than our observations, a scientific model of the universe that relies on observations is good enough for scientific matters.

Not only is it good enough, but we are so good at observing the universe that we are able to build a coherent, predictable models of physical system based solely on rigorous scientific observations.

By: Josh

Josh — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:30:56 +0000

Right, so what experiment do you use to falsify the model of science. Wherein, the model = “anything not falsifiable by experiment is not scientifically knowable” Please describe an experiment whereby said model can itself be falsifiable.

By: ecoli

ecoli — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:04:59 +0000

All scientific experiments are potentially falsifiable. Observation is what we use to evaluate whether scientific models are accurate. If an observation goes against the model, that falsifies the model.

By: Josh

Josh — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:42:49 +0000

Out of curiosity, is there an experiment capable of falsifying the underlying tenet of science, that only that which is capable of falsification can be scientifically verified? I’d be eager to hear about that experiment.

By: ecoli

ecoli — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:50:23 +0000

That’s an easy one, Brandon. To say that evolution is “only a theory and no evidence has proven them” is a complete and utter lie.

Creationism, on the other hand is, as you say, a a belief, and has no right being in a science classroom.

It is impossible for Christians to prove that creationism exists, not in terms of being a “scientific theory.” Therefore, creationism doesn’t belong in a science classroom any more than Newtonian mechanics in a bible study class.

If you don’t understand why that is, you should read this: http://blogs.scienceforums.net/ecoli/2008/02/03/why-creationism-is-not-science/

By: Brandon

Brandon — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:01:03 +0000

I would like to know why it is okay for evolutionists to file lawsuits for a school board placing a disclaimer in a text book saying that the lessons taught in the book are only theory and no evidence has proven them ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/6822028/ ), it’s justified, but when a creationist is upset because their beliefs are completely ignored, and banned from the classroom, it’s a fanatic Christian who can’t prove what he/she believes and must be disregarded. Can anyone explain that to me?

By: The Big Lebowski

The Big Lebowski — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:58:04 +0000

“This is a free society. Scientists are actively seeking to prevent the God who created our world and society from coming into our classrooms. What are they so afraid of? The truth that God made the world and not Darwin.”

You just don’t get it and that’s saying something for a fanatic Christian. Religion and science are separate things just like church and state. Religion only falls under science when you are talking about theology. Your entire religion is based on the fact that you can’t prove the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (God), but you have faith and because of this faith you think you will go to heaven. Having faith is not knowing and can never be the same thing; you can believe based what you know for a fact, or can believe based on what you have faith that is a fact. I’m actually and atheist but an agnostic and open to the concept of God, but I think that She doesn’t give a crap about who believes in her.

” All sides should be presented in any argument and you will see that when that happens that God wins. Just like he always does in the Bible. Truth is the key. God wins in the end when these scientists all burn for their sins of rejecting God and his holy son Jesus. Not one of them will be able to stand before him because the truth is not in them. I will watch them from on high.”

And as spiritual person I ‘m always amazed by those who think that believing in God gives them some kind of moral ‘leg-up’ with God. If what you believe is true then you already know trying to prove God existence scientifically is futile. And incidentally from your comment it sounds like you take a certain amount of personal pleasure from the idea of those who don’t think like you burning for eternity. And since you are using God’s name in vain in order to promote your own personal beliefs like it’s God’s Cannon I guess you’ll be burning in Hell just like the rest of us. Unless you go to confession before you die and then you’re home-free RIGHT.

But what if a witch-doctor puts a hex on you… didn’t make any preparations for that one did you, you stupid Jesus-Nazi!!!

By: Jesus

Jesus — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:30:33 +0000

This is a free society. Scientists are actively seeking to prevent the God who created our world and society from coming into our classrooms. What are they so afraid of? The truth that God made the world and not Darwin. All sides should be presented in any argument and you will see that when that happens that God wins. Just like he always does in the Bible. Truth is the key. God wins in the end when these scientists all burn for their sins of rejecting God and his holy son Jesus. Not one of them will be able to stand before him because the truth is not in them. I will watch them from on high.

By: ecoli

ecoli — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:36:31 +0000

thanks, CDarwin.

By: CDarwin

CDarwin — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:29:34 +0000

“Stein is only interested in answers that lead him to a deity. And since science cannot provide these answer, he accuses it of being biased…”

Excellently said.