{"id":31,"date":"2013-04-09T16:28:30","date_gmt":"2013-04-09T16:28:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/Moontanman\/?p=31"},"modified":"2013-04-09T16:28:30","modified_gmt":"2013-04-09T16:28:30","slug":"polarization-of-american-politics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/moontanman\/2013\/04\/09\/polarization-of-american-politics\/","title":{"rendered":"Polarization of American Politics"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Ah politics\u2026 fun fun fun \u2018til Daddy takes the T-Bird away, the polarization of America is getting out of hand. Everyone can buy a gun? State religion? No taxes? Unbridled Capitalism? Socialism? Libertarianism? Communism? Extremism! Oh My!<\/p>\n<p>Has everyone lost their collective minds? <\/p>\n<p>We live in a society, supposedly a free society, governed by rule of law&#8230; Not rule of \u201chey I don\u2019t think you should be able to do that so stop it\u201d What any one person or group of people think you should or should not do is irrelevant, doesn\u2019t matter if God is your basis for living or Thor or Apollo or if the fling spaghetti monster rules your world we have freedom of religion which by definition has to include freedom from religion\u2026 Yeah I said it now for the part the non-religious won\u2019t like. That doesn\u2019t mean anyone can say that religious displays offend me so you can\u2019t put Jesus or Santa on the courthouse grounds. You do not have the right not to be offended as long as someone\u2019s expression of religion doesn\u2019t include infringing on your rights as an individual (no that doesn&#8217;t mean you have the right not to be offended) just shut up and walk past any religious displays you don\u2019t like. This also means that if you are a Christian or a Jew or a Muslim you must give the same amount of tolerance to others you enjoy and yes that includes Pagans, Sun Worshipers, and Wicca. <\/p>\n<p>All you can say for sure is that the Government cannot support one of these over the others so if your local government pays for the Christmas decorations then you have be willing to have the local Government pay for the holiday decorations of the other religions too\u2026 If that offends you please see the paragraph above. Just the way it is but it doesn\u2019t mean the government cannot pay they just have to be even handed about it.<\/p>\n<p>Generally, at least in my estimation, it\u2019s best for the government to stay out of these things and avoid wasting taxpayers dollars frivolously but that\u2019s just me. <\/p>\n<p>We seem to want to grandstand on the most silly things, \u201cin God we trust\u201d on our currency? It was put there in the 1950\u2019s in a wave of religious patriotism to show the evil commies how serious we were going to defend \u201cCapitalism?\u201d Hmmm makes it sound a little silly to fight over now doesn\u2019t it? Same for the pledge of allegiance, the under God part is an artifact of the fight against communism not some affirmation of this being a Christian nation. Either deal with it or stop it completely but it\u2019s not worth polarizing the nation over.<br \/>\nSocialized medicine (he said with a sneer) Communism sneaking in by the back door\u2026 say it 20 times and see how silly it becomes. We, supposedly the richest nation on Earth, cannot take care of our peoples medical needs? Most other first world nations seem to do a pretty good job of it. Do we really want to let Capitalism get in the way of social programs? If it galls the insurance companies, so what? Do insurance companies rule the government? And speaking of Capitalism\u2026 Yes Capitalism \u201cCaveat emptor\u201d do we really want to run a society based on buyer beware? A society where anyone can sell or buy anything, do business in any way they want and let the people who buy from them suffer? And no, corporations are not individuals, they don\u2019t act like individuals, they are not by any realistic measure people and the only reason this is proposed is so they can get around laws that should govern corporations because&#8230; they are not people&#8230; If you are Republican or conservative or both and think this benefits you then you are either very wealthy or you own a company or both, the rest of us do not gain anything but hardship from corporations being allowed the rights of individuals.<\/p>\n<p>Capitalism needs rules, it cannot be allowed to operate unchained, unchained Capitalism will eventually destroy a society just as surely as communism, all stable societies are a mixture of various philosophies, it has to be that way because as much as we would like to believe it to be true all people do not start out with the same chance as all others and there is no reason to allow some to get to the top just because they had a head start or because they are bigger bastards than everyone else.  Without rules Capitalism will fail just as badly as communism did. In fact take a look at China pure communism? Not hardly, they have generous dollop of Capitalism they have in recent decades mixed into their political make up, it made sense, it helped them survive and prosper when other communist regimes were falling like flies. Now pure communist states can be counted on one hand and few of them are places anyone would choose to live, take North Korea\u2026 no really take it please\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Libertarianism ah the free breath of a free man, free to go about his life unhindered by the doings of mere mortals, wait, that highway needs repair, who is going to remove that body from the ditch, I need to call the \u201cpolice\u201d no those privately owned prisons need more inmates to make a profit they might pick me up just to make their quota and the privately owned police work for the prisons\u2026 maybe I could use a little bit of restraint as well in my completely free breathing? <\/p>\n<p>As usual no one political system works perfectly, only a blend of various policies can be sustainable over the long haul.<\/p>\n<p>So I have some advice, Atheists stop moaning about religion, it\u2019s always going to be here, never going to go away, you do not have the right to not to be offended all you have the right to do is ignore them.<\/p>\n<p>Theists\u2026 ah yes theists, in this country overwhelmingly Christian, can you throttle back a few notches? You do not have the right to not be offended either but you do not have the right to dictate what everyone else does as well. Refer back to that annoying little document called the constitution, freedom of religion, it\u2019s quite a concept, every man free to follow his vision of god\u2026 well unless your vision of god requires that you make others follow your vision but refer back to that document called the constitution for further reference\u2026 Yes this includes you creationists, you do not get to have your religious views taught as science, it\u2019s not science it\u2019s religion\u2026 deal with it but deal with it without forcing your views on others\u2026 <\/p>\n<p>Gun control\u2026 take lessons\u2026 no really, if you want a gun get training, we don\u2019t let people drive cars without training why should we let people have guns without training?<\/p>\n<p>We live in a society that allows people to drive cars, some say it\u2019s a privilege and that is true but it\u2019s one that allows people, very nearly everyone, to drive a car but it also requires that those drivers be reasonably able to drive their cars (I know imperfect system), some people just can\u2019t drive or choose to drive while intoxicated we try to limit the damage they do by requiring training, insurance, licenses, restrictions and we still end killing something like 90 to 100 people a day.<\/p>\n<p>Deaths by guns is comparable and by 2015 they are projected to be very close and this is because gun deaths are going up, abet slowly, while death by car is going down. Shouldn\u2019t a gun owner be expected to be able to show some proficiency at \u201cdriving\u201d his gun? <\/p>\n<p>Is a background check to insure a perspective gun owner isn\u2019t bat shit crazy too much to ask? As for ammo clips, if large magazines are illegal then carry more of the smaller clips, seriously that is a small point to dwell on while people die due to people having guns that have no clue as to how to use them.<\/p>\n<p>Sanctity of marriage, we live in a society that allows game shows where several men or several women compete to marry a stranger\u2026yeah sanctity of marriage\u2026 I have some severe doubts that homosexuals can screw that up any worse than we straight people have already but lets take the bull by the horns and ask why\u2026 <\/p>\n<p>Why are homosexuals second-class citizens? They\u2019re not you say? I call bullshite, in my state they cannot even get a civil union much less get married and why is that? Religion, religion, especially the dominant one here seems to have a special place for homosexuals, I believe it\u2019s right in the center of the pit of eternal flames\u2026 ok where does that come from? The Holy Bible\u2026 fine let\u2019s follow that Holy book, are we going to stone adulterous women to death as well? How about those unruly teenagers, death for them as well and those horrible abominations that walk around flaunting clothing made of cloth woven from different fibers\u2026   get a clue why do you have such an erection for homosexuals?<\/p>\n<p>No one is suggesting that your church be forced to allow homosexuals to marry within it\u2019s hallowed walls where I am sure none of Gods\u2019 rules have ever been broken. Many Churches are already marrying homosexuals\u2026 not real churches you say\u2026 no true Scotsman???<\/p>\n<p>Birth control, don\u2019t want to use birth control, don\u2019t use it, yes there is a large faction of theists who think it\u2019s their sacred duty to stop the use of birth control, sex must have consequences\u2026 right? Hard for me to see their point of view, I can\u2019t quite get my head that far up my ass\u2026<\/p>\n<p>As for abortion, I wouldn\u2019t have one, I wouldn\u2019t want my wife to have one (I can\u2019t imagine she would but it should be her choice) but I know that the idea that life begins at conception is invalid and shows a lack of knowledge of how reproduction works, many fertilized eggs never attach and are shed, in fact the process can go quite far and happen for numerous reasons, are we going to charge any woman who is pregnant and loses a zygote with murder?  Involuntary manslaughter perhaps? Stop being unreasonable, read the bible&#8230; no really read it don\u2019t let someone else tell you what it says but God sure seems to be fond of killing and yes I mean children&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Jesus came to change all that&#8230; read your bible, don\u2019t let someone else tell you what it says or means&#8230; read it! (hint: Jesus said exactly the opposite, no I\u2019m not going to spoon feed it to you, read it for your self&#8230;)<\/p>\n<p>But back to abortion, if the child comes to term, who is going raise an unwanted child? Your taxes? It seems to me the winning idea here is to make birth control freely available, not to mention sex education, many adults seem to sorely lacking in that area of education as well, in fact birth control pills result in fewer lost zygotes than a woman who doesn\u2019t use any but is still having sex. Should abortion be allowed, I would say yes with some reasonable restrictions but conflating birth control with abortion is insane since one prevents the other. <\/p>\n<p>Oh and by the way, if your church or organization employs someone and you provide health insurance there is no valid reason why you should get to say the insurance can\u2019t pay for birth control, religion has to be voluntary, you cannot force your religious values on others&#8230; For reference see constitution&#8230;  More to the point health insurance with birth control is cheaper than health insurance without birth control&#8230; <\/p>\n<p>You live in an amazing country founded by men who were wise almost beyond comprehension (judging by today\u2019s standards) stop trying to change it to suit you personally, let other people live and let live as well&#8230; <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ah politics\u2026 fun fun fun \u2018til Daddy takes the T-Bird away, the polarization of America is getting out of hand. Everyone can buy a gun? State religion? No taxes? Unbridled Capitalism? Socialism? Libertarianism? Communism? Extremism! 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