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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The Politics of Medal Counts by The Politics of Medal Counts : lowerautoinsurance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/pangloss/2008/08/25/the-politics-of-medal-counts/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>The Politics of Medal Counts : lowerautoinsurance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Original post by Pangloss [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Politics of Medal Counts by The Politics of Medal Counts</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/pangloss/2008/08/25/the-politics-of-medal-counts/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>The Politics of Medal Counts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Original post by Pangloss [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on China&#8217;s Thought Police and the Olympics by Pangloss</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/pangloss/2008/07/28/chinas-thought-police-and-the-olympics/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>Pangloss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe so, but I expect them to have tough security and stand by what they said.  That's why they call security a "tough problem".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe so, but I expect them to have tough security and stand by what they said.  That&#8217;s why they call security a &#8220;tough problem&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on China&#8217;s Thought Police and the Olympics by CDarwin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/pangloss/2008/07/28/chinas-thought-police-and-the-olympics/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>CDarwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know. Don't you think too much media attention might spook the Chinese into over-reaction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. Don&#8217;t you think too much media attention might spook the Chinese into over-reaction?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jesse Helms Joins the Inanimate Majority by Pages tagged "inanimate"</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/pangloss/2008/07/05/jesse-helms-joins-the-inanimate-majority/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Pages tagged "inanimate"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bookmarks tagged inanimate Jesse Helms Joins the Inanimate Majority&#160;saved by 2 others  &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;MasterKadaj bookmarked on 07/06/08 &#124; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bookmarks tagged inanimate Jesse Helms Joins the Inanimate Majority&nbsp;saved by 2 others  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;MasterKadaj bookmarked on 07/06/08 | [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jesse Helms Joins the Inanimate Majority by Pangloss</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/pangloss/2008/07/05/jesse-helms-joins-the-inanimate-majority/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Pangloss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I was never convinced the moral majority were a majority either, so maybe it's a double entendre!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I was never convinced the moral majority were a majority either, so maybe it&#8217;s a double entendre!  <img src='http://blogs.scienceforums.net/pangloss/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Jesse Helms Joins the Inanimate Majority by ecoli</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/pangloss/2008/07/05/jesse-helms-joins-the-inanimate-majority/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>ecoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are you sure the dead are a majority?  

I read somewhere that there are more people alive right now then all the people who are lived before.  

Anyone feel like integrating the population growth curve?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you sure the dead are a majority?  </p>
<p>I read somewhere that there are more people alive right now then all the people who are lived before.  </p>
<p>Anyone feel like integrating the population growth curve?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time to throw &#8220;under the bus&#8221; under the bus! by Scarlett Johansson Celebrity Gossip &#124; Time to throw &#8220;under the bus&#8221; under the bus!</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/pangloss/2008/07/02/time-to-throw-under-the-bus-under-the-bus/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>Scarlett Johansson Celebrity Gossip &#124; Time to throw &#8220;under the bus&#8221; under the bus!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] financing of presidential campaigns; his not-quite-e-mail-pal, Scarlett Johansson;&#8230; Source: Time to throw &#8220;under the bus&#8221; under the bus!    Who Would Be A Worse Mom? Paris or Lindsey? Vote Now And Get A Free iPhone.  Scarlett Johansson [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] financing of presidential campaigns; his not-quite-e-mail-pal, Scarlett Johansson;&#8230; Source: Time to throw &#8220;under the bus&#8221; under the bus!    Who Would Be A Worse Mom? Paris or Lindsey? Vote Now And Get A Free iPhone.  Scarlett Johansson [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Haditha and Science by &#187; Haditha and Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/pangloss/2008/03/06/haditha-and-science/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Haditha and Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Myspace : All wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptHaditha and Science PBS Frontline tackles Haditha. The whole episode is available for online viewing at this URL: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/haditha/ I put off watching this for a couple of weeks because I assumed it would be pretty ugly and uncomplimentary of the Marines. Boy was I wrong. They completely destroyed Iraqi eyewitness testimony and in the end seemed to support the overall exoneration of the Marines, focusing instead on the complexities of ground combat. And John Mu [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Myspace : All wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptHaditha and Science PBS Frontline tackles Haditha. The whole episode is available for online viewing at this URL: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/haditha/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/haditha/</a> I put off watching this for a couple of weeks because I assumed it would be pretty ugly and uncomplimentary of the Marines. Boy was I wrong. They completely destroyed Iraqi eyewitness testimony and in the end seemed to support the overall exoneration of the Marines, focusing instead on the complexities of ground combat. And John Mu [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Science Provide Political Answers? by Pangloss</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/pangloss/2008/02/29/can-science-provide-political-answers/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Pangloss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments!  I am looking for quotes and bolds and stuff, and also trying to figure out how to embed the video right here so you don't have to follow a link, and if I can figure those things out I'll come back and fix these early posts.  

I agree with the battleground comment -- even though I have skepticism about the human causation issue, I agree this is a battle that needs to be fought, it needs to be fought right now, and it needs to be won.  As you say, the stakes could not be more clear.

But I am concerned about the idea of using science as a tool of propaganda.  I agree with the conclusion from Hulme that you posted, but I thought her comments about scientists misusing science to impact policy equally applied to her own position -- she was being blatantly hypocritical.  If the science is correct, then I don't NEED or WANT propaganda.  I want either the policy to change because people see the truth and WANT it corrected, or I do not want the policy to change at ALL -- loss of freedom can save the world, but is the world then worth living in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments!  I am looking for quotes and bolds and stuff, and also trying to figure out how to embed the video right here so you don&#8217;t have to follow a link, and if I can figure those things out I&#8217;ll come back and fix these early posts.  </p>
<p>I agree with the battleground comment &#8212; even though I have skepticism about the human causation issue, I agree this is a battle that needs to be fought, it needs to be fought right now, and it needs to be won.  As you say, the stakes could not be more clear.</p>
<p>But I am concerned about the idea of using science as a tool of propaganda.  I agree with the conclusion from Hulme that you posted, but I thought her comments about scientists misusing science to impact policy equally applied to her own position &#8212; she was being blatantly hypocritical.  If the science is correct, then I don&#8217;t NEED or WANT propaganda.  I want either the policy to change because people see the truth and WANT it corrected, or I do not want the policy to change at ALL &#8212; loss of freedom can save the world, but is the world then worth living in?</p>
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