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	<title>Comments on: There&#8217;s One Thing That&#8217;s Perpetual</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Murray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/swansont/archives/941/comment-page-1#comment-6708</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What actually seems to happen is that the apparatus moves through the earth’s magnetic field as the planet rotates and so converts the flux through the loop into energy.&quot;

Surely it ought to be possible, then, to do this with a far simpler mechanism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What actually seems to happen is that the apparatus moves through the earth’s magnetic field as the planet rotates and so converts the flux through the loop into energy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Surely it ought to be possible, then, to do this with a far simpler mechanism?</p>
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		<title>By: eddie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/swansont/archives/941/comment-page-1#comment-6435</link>
		<dc:creator>eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A former workmate, who seemed quite sensible at the time and probably is, bought into what seem to be crank energy company Steorn.  This from an email he sent;

&lt;blockquote&gt;How does it work 
The ORBO technology works by exploiting the magnetic fields of magnets. Not ordinary magnets, but powerful rare earth magnets

made of a substance called Neodymium. Steorn have found a way to move from one point in a magnetic field and back to the same point

again, but with a net gain in energy. Magnetic &quot;lag&quot; effect seems to play an integral part of this process. Lag time allows you to &quot;sneak up&quot;

on the magnet with little or no repulsion, then once the domains align - be pushed away with greater force resulting in an overall net gain. 

A clear violation of the principle of The Conservation Of Energy CoE. The foundation of modern physics. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The worst thing about it is that their limited understanding of physics is detracting from the fact that they have developed a genuine method of extracting, albeit tiny quantities of energy from the earth&#039;s magnetic field.

The core error they make is in the phrase &quot;...and back to the same point&quot;.  What actually seems to happen is that the apparatus moves through the earth&#039;s magnetic field as the planet rotates and so converts the flux through the loop into energy.

It seems from their site that they realise that the technology is not really useful and prefer to try the pyramid-selling-based-on-credulity model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A former workmate, who seemed quite sensible at the time and probably is, bought into what seem to be crank energy company Steorn.  This from an email he sent;</p>
<blockquote><p>How does it work<br />
The ORBO technology works by exploiting the magnetic fields of magnets. Not ordinary magnets, but powerful rare earth magnets</p>
<p>made of a substance called Neodymium. Steorn have found a way to move from one point in a magnetic field and back to the same point</p>
<p>again, but with a net gain in energy. Magnetic &#8220;lag&#8221; effect seems to play an integral part of this process. Lag time allows you to &#8220;sneak up&#8221;</p>
<p>on the magnet with little or no repulsion, then once the domains align &#8211; be pushed away with greater force resulting in an overall net gain. </p>
<p>A clear violation of the principle of The Conservation Of Energy CoE. The foundation of modern physics. </p></blockquote>
<p>The worst thing about it is that their limited understanding of physics is detracting from the fact that they have developed a genuine method of extracting, albeit tiny quantities of energy from the earth&#8217;s magnetic field.</p>
<p>The core error they make is in the phrase &#8220;&#8230;and back to the same point&#8221;.  What actually seems to happen is that the apparatus moves through the earth&#8217;s magnetic field as the planet rotates and so converts the flux through the loop into energy.</p>
<p>It seems from their site that they realise that the technology is not really useful and prefer to try the pyramid-selling-based-on-credulity model.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Fisher</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/swansont/archives/941/comment-page-1#comment-6429</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep in mind there are even one or two Nobel laureates who have fringe or crackpot leanings...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind there are even one or two Nobel laureates who have fringe or crackpot leanings&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bayesian Bouffant, FCD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/swansont/archives/941/comment-page-1#comment-6256</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayesian Bouffant, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the company employs a good handful of high-level scientists&quot;

Do they mean top notch physicists, or just unknown people with actual letters after their names? How many Nobel laureates have signed up for distributorships?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the company employs a good handful of high-level scientists&#8221;</p>
<p>Do they mean top notch physicists, or just unknown people with actual letters after their names? How many Nobel laureates have signed up for distributorships?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/swansont/archives/941/comment-page-1#comment-6200</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scottaaronson.com/writings/doofusino.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hydrino Theory&lt;/a&gt;:  just around the corner from free energy and overturning quantum mechanics since 1999!

To nick a phrase from Brad DeLong, &quot;Why oh why can&#039;t we have a better press corps?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.scottaaronson.com/writings/doofusino.html" rel="nofollow">Hydrino Theory</a>:  just around the corner from free energy and overturning quantum mechanics since 1999!</p>
<p>To nick a phrase from Brad DeLong, &#8220;Why oh why can&#8217;t we have a better press corps?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Geb</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/swansont/archives/941/comment-page-1#comment-6140</link>
		<dc:creator>Geb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With simple chemical free energy ideas like this you can fairly easily find flaws in it. &quot;if water is fuel, why aren&#039;t the oceans explosive?&quot;  &quot;Are these hydrinos you make dangerous?&quot;

It&#039;s the zero point energy claims that cause the problems because the cosmologists are vague enough on several points that you can&#039;t outright say that getting energy from space is impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With simple chemical free energy ideas like this you can fairly easily find flaws in it. &#8220;if water is fuel, why aren&#8217;t the oceans explosive?&#8221;  &#8220;Are these hydrinos you make dangerous?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the zero point energy claims that cause the problems because the cosmologists are vague enough on several points that you can&#8217;t outright say that getting energy from space is impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhett Allain</title>
		<link>http://blogs.scienceforums.net/swansont/archives/941/comment-page-1#comment-6111</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhett Allain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my students did  a report on these guys - they are pretty much crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my students did  a report on these guys &#8211; they are pretty much crazy.</p>
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