{"id":467,"date":"2008-06-18T14:18:20","date_gmt":"2008-06-18T19:18:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/?p=467"},"modified":"2008-06-18T14:18:20","modified_gmt":"2008-06-18T19:18:20","slug":"the-photon-push-me-pull-you","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/archives\/467","title":{"rendered":"The Photon Push-Me Pull-You"},"content":{"rendered":"

A few weeks ago, over at Built on facts, I threw Matt a bit of a knuckleball<\/a> in the comments.<\/p>\n

[C]onsider a solid bar of the same index [as water]. You send in the pulse of light (assume a really good AR coating so there\u2019s no reflection). What happens to the speed of the bar?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

This was sneaky because it is one of the unsolved issues in physics (I feel no remorse for doing this, and Matt realized that something was up) \u2014 the theory is complicated enough that it’s really easy to miss out on some of the subtleties and end up with an invalid answer. There are two schools of thought: Minkowski, who had taken the approach that the photon’s momentum in the medium should be nE\/c<\/strong>, and Abraham, whose approach gave the momentum as E\/nc<\/strong>. Clearly, the results are at odds, and this came to be known as the Minkowski-Abraham momentum controversy.<\/p>\n

I found a number of articles on the topic, but perhaps the best one is a review article from Reviews of Modern Physics. Momentum of an electromagnetic wave in dielectric media<\/em> by Pfeifer et. al, No. 4, October\u2013December 2007 pp. 1197-1216.<\/a> (link is to a pdf file) The article points out that this isn’t a simple problem, because a photon in a medium can’t be naively treated as just a photon \u2014 both solutions have merit, but must include the interactions with the medium, which are obviously different depending on the approach you take \u2014 in the end there can be only one<\/del> you can only have one answer for the momentum of the system.
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The article describes a number of attempts to measure the effect, and how these were misinterpreted. One experiment, from Ashkin and Dziedzic, was to shine a laser onto water and observe the surface \u2014 if Minkowski was correct it should bulge outward to conserve momentum, but the Abraham solution would require the surface to compress. It bulged outward, but was later determined to be because there was a dipole force on the surface, owing to the Gaussian beam profile. There were other experiments, each one a bit murky because of the complicated nature and small magnitude of the effect.<\/p>\n

The latest salvo has landed. The ArXiv blog has posted The embarrassing lightness of photons<\/a> in which yet another measurement has been made, this time with optical fiber. I recall being told about an experiment such as this that had been proposed, and I don’t know if this is the same group, but they (Weilong She, Jianhui Yu, Raohui Feng at Sun Yat-Sen University) have made the measurement by observing the motion of the tip of the optical fiber when the photons leave, and their answer is that it moves back and to the left<\/del> so Abraham was right \u2014 the photon momentum is reduced in the medium, and the fiber must recoil when the photons leave and their momentum increases.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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