{"id":50,"date":"2008-02-17T21:17:04","date_gmt":"2008-02-18T02:17:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/archives\/50"},"modified":"2008-02-17T21:17:04","modified_gmt":"2008-02-18T02:17:04","slug":"unlimited-cake-and-ice-cream","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/archives\/50","title":{"rendered":"Unlimited Cake and Ice Cream"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The first law of thermodynamics:  Energy can neither be created nor destroyed.  Pretty straightforward.  No loopholes.<\/p>\n<p>So why does a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lanl.gov\/news\/index.php\/fuseaction\/home.story\/story_id\/12554\">press release from Los Alamos<\/a> sound like it&#8217;s ignoring the first law of thermodynamics after painting the room green?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Los Alamos National Laboratory has developed a low-risk, transformational concept, called Green Freedom\u2122, for large-scale production of carbon-neutral, sulfur-free fuels and organic chemicals from air and water.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Sounds great, doesn&#8217;t it?  Carbon-neutral fuel.   Wow, just what the doctor ordered.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>By integrating this electrochemical process with existing technology, researchers have developed a new, practical approach to producing fuels and organic chemicals that permits continued use of existing industrial and transportation infrastructure. Fuel production is driven by carbon-neutral power.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>OK, no actual mention of the electrochemical process in the PR, but elsewhere it&#8217;s given as methanol production from water and carbon dioxide.<\/p>\n<p>So it must be the reverse of 2 CH3OH + 3 O2 \u2192 2 CO2 + 4 H2O<\/p>\n<p>Which is going to require energy input, because the combustion of methanol is exothermic.  Ah, hence the mention of the fuel production being driven by  a carbon-neutral source.  Recognize that?  It&#8217;s the same handwave that was happening with hydrogen a few years back.  It&#8217;s not an energy <em>source<\/em>, but at least it&#8217;s green &#8230; as long as you use a green source of energy.<\/p>\n<p>If we had some cake we could have cake and ice cream.  If we had some ice cream.<br \/>\n<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Now, I think it&#8217;s great that they have developed a process for doing this, but a press release that is as content-free as this, from a scientific institution?   Just as with hydrogen, when you consider this technology, you have to think &#8220;battery.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a storage medium for the energy.  Now, that&#8217;s important, because any technology that fits in with the existing infrastructure is more likely to be adopted than something new, like hydrogen- or electric-powered cars.  But for this to work, you need to add green power capacity, and that&#8217;s completely glossed over.  By the time this hits the press, that will probably be forgotten.<\/p>\n<p>Like with the <a href=\"http:\/\/dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com\/2008\/02\/13\/federal-lab-says-it-can-harvest-fuel-from-air\/\">New York Times<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Roger A. Pielke Jr., a political scientist and blogger at the University of Colorado, has written for several years about the air-capture idea (and about why it hasn\u2019t gotten equal billing with options like biofuels)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Biofuels have a net energy to offer, that&#8217;s why.  This is a net energy sink.  And that message has gotten lost.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The first law of thermodynamics: Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Pretty straightforward. No loopholes. So why does a press release from Los Alamos sound like it&#8217;s ignoring the first law of thermodynamics after painting the room green? Los &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/archives\/50\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,24,39],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-50","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-antiscience","category-journalism","category-physics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/50","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=50"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/50\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=50"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=50"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=50"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}