{"id":501,"date":"2008-06-29T04:00:07","date_gmt":"2008-06-29T09:00:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/?p=501"},"modified":"2008-06-29T04:00:07","modified_gmt":"2008-06-29T09:00:07","slug":"dueling-blogjos","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/archives\/501","title":{"rendered":"Dueling Blogjos"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>So, Blake wrote a post on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sunclipse.org\/?p=725\">What Science Blogs Can&#8217;t Do<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Deedle dee dee-dee<\/p>\n<p>Brian at Lealaps <a href=\"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/laelaps\/2008\/06\/what_can_i_do.php\">weighed in<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>If you know absolutely nothing about evolutionary biology, physics, ecology, or any other discipline you care to name you are not going to find the equivalent of a college course here on the science blogosphere. That doesn&#8217;t mean that it is not possible to gain some science education from the continuing efforts of so many writers, however.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Doddle da da-dum<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/archives\/500\">So did I<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Deedle dee dee-dee<\/p>\n<p>Chad at Uncertain Principles <a href=\"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/principles\/2008\/06\/science_blogs_what_are_they_go.php\">responded<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The mistake Blake is making is the flip side of the mistake in the most recent Ask a ScienceBlogger. The questioner in that case erred by thinking of blogs as a research tool, while Blake is erring in the opposite direction, by thinking of blogs as a teaching tool. In reality, they&#8217;re neither primarily about research, nor about teaching.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Doddle da da-dum<\/p>\n<p>(End banjo\/guitar parallel before the squealing starts)<\/p>\n<p>I agreed with a lot of what Blake said.  And I think that both Brian and Chad make some good points.    And it&#8217;s a good thing I&#8217;m not running for office, lest someone call me a flip-flopper, but I think the real issue is everyone is arguing somewhat different points and there is not so much disagreement as all that.<\/p>\n<p>It occurs to me I should also say that I&#8217;m not insisting that agreement be required here.   Agreement is boring.  Everybody is entitled to their opinion \u2014 and this is largely a discussion of opinion \u2014 and there&#8217;s a lot to be learned from looking at things from another perspective.  So while I enjoy the saying &#8220;Opinions are like assholes:  I don&#8217;t want to hear yours,&#8221; it&#8217;s not an actual maxim I apply.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s more of what I would have written had I had more time the other evening, and what I have in response to the other posts.  There are some closely-related but still distinct issues being addressed here:  what roles <em>do<\/em> science bloggers play, what roles <em>should<\/em> they play, what role <em>can<\/em> they play  and what roles do they <em>want<\/em> to play.  And the answers will be different, depending on which question you are asking.<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nLast one first \u2014 the role you want to play.  That&#8217;s part the issue of why you blog in the first place, and also speaks to the motivation, or lack thereof, to do elementary science posts.  You&#8217;re probably not going to blog about things that are uninteresting to you, especially if you aren&#8217;t getting paid (or getting a token amount) to blog.  Life&#8217;s too short and there&#8217;s more fun to be had doing other things.<\/p>\n<p>What role do science bloggers play?  Are we\/they effecting change?  Educating people?  That&#8217;s some of what Blake was addressing.  Are science bloggers not educating because they&#8217;ve failed at something they set out to do, or was it just not a goal in the first place?   I&#8217;m thinking it&#8217;s the latter, for many of the reasons that have been discussed in these posts.   Changing the world is a little different issue; if you&#8217;re ranting about some injustice or burning stupidity, it may just be for the therapeutic effect, but you&#8217;re probably hoping to make someone else aware and perhaps make a difference and change some minds.  The problem with that approach is that the bulk of readers are likely already in agreement.  You may catalyze some action, but I don&#8217;t know how many minds you&#8217;re going to change.  People who fervently disagree with you aren&#8217;t reading in the first place, and the exceptions to that are the ones trolling your comments section.  The best you can hope for is grabbing a few &#8220;undecideds,&#8221;  and make them aware of whatever the cause <em>du jour<\/em> happens to be.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, the role that we play doesn&#8217;t have to be because it&#8217;s what we set out to do.  You can get people interested in science just because you&#8217;re some combination of enthusiastic, informative, entertaining, attractive or whatever and people like reading your posts, and there need not be a connection between your motivation and the end result.<\/p>\n<p>Now it comes down to what roles can science bloggers play, and what roles should they play.  The role they <em>should<\/em> play probably the least interesting question, because it&#8217;s up to the individual bloggers.  Maybe you&#8217;re Charles Barkley, and and don&#8217;t see yourself as a role model.  Maybe you see yourself as a shining beacon.  I doesn&#8217;t matter.  I don&#8217;t see that anyone has a responsibility to blog about anything in particular.<\/p>\n<p>As far as what role can bloggers play \u2014 is education a role that can be embraced?   I think it&#8217;s the wrong medium for that.  Education \u2014 especially science education \u2014 is interactive.  It&#8217;s not like reading a story in literature class, or your history book, where (at least at the introductory level) you&#8217;ve gotten most of the information you need from reading, assuming your reading skills are up to the task.   That doesn&#8217;t mean that blogging isn&#8217;t or can&#8217;t be informative, but it&#8217;s extremely limited as far as getting bi-directional interaction in an efficient way.  There&#8217;s also a question of the credibility of various blogs.  What&#8217;s the value of a blog as a primary educational conduit if you can&#8217;t trust the information presented is accurate?<\/p>\n<p>A lot of this has been hashed out in the comments of the various posts, so I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;ve ended up adding anything to the discussion, but then, that doesn&#8217;t matter, does it?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>So, Blake wrote a post on What Science Blogs Can&#8217;t Do Deedle dee dee-dee Brian at Lealaps weighed in If you know absolutely nothing about evolutionary biology, physics, ecology, or any other discipline you care to name you are not &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/archives\/501\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[24,46,47],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-501","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-journalism","category-science-general","category-science-y-observation"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/501","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=501"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/501\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=501"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=501"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/blogs.scienceforums.net\/swansont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=501"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}