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Published by swansont on May 6, 2008 03:38 am under Antiscience, Physics

A while back I posted some links to anti-relativity sites and gg suggested that it would be fun to debunk the claims. Sometimes that’s fun, but often — and especially after doing it a number of times — I find that it’s tedious. An error is present, and one has to find it in a morass of often awkwardly defined and unnecessarily complicated scenarios (hey, let’s use three trains, and multiple clocks which will be juggled by a clown on each train!) set up by the author. Sometimes with some horrific ASCII “art,” to boot, though some do have fancy animated gifs.

The reason one knows that an error is present in these thought experiments is because a contradiction has been found. One might think that this is a dogmatic BESS (Because Einstein Said So) argument, but it isn’t — the issue here is that the ultimate authority, and the only authority one is allowed to quote, is absent from the problem: nature. These are thought experiments, and it all boils down to doing coordinate transformations and calculations. Special relativity consists of Lorentz transformations, which are derived from the hypothesis that the speed of light is invariant; all inertial reference frames will measure the same value. This has the admittedly strange consequence (especially to the uninitiated) of time and length not being absolute quantities, which runs counter to most peoples’ everyday experience. We think in Galilean terms which serves us reasonably well in everyday experience, and the differences presented by Lorentz transformations are not apparent to us under these conditions.


But the Lorentz transformations are valid — one can use these to jump between reference frames ’till the cows (spherical or not) come home, and everything will be consistent as long as you apply the transform properly and do the math correctly. You can do this with any self-consistent set of rules. The reason we focus on this particular one is that it describes how nature behaves, and a comparison with nature, i.e. an actual experiment, is the only way to falsify the hypothesis that these transforms describe nature. A thought experiment that finds a contradiction has only shown that the transforms have not been properly applied — the author has made a math error, or made a bad assumption (e.g. absolute simultaneity, or used an accelerating frame of reference or that a non-Lorentz transformation holds somewhere)

If you’re learning about relativity, or want to brush up on it, such an exercise might be very useful. You know the needle is there, and you just have to go through the haystack and find it. But don’t be fooled into thinking that the three-train scenario with the clowns juggling clocks actually can falsify relativity until you actually do the experiment.

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  1. gg on May 6th, 2008

    “An error is present, and one has to find it in a morass of often awkwardly defined and unnecessarily complicated scenarios (hey, let’s use three trains, and multiple clocks which will be juggled by a clown on each train!) set up by the author.”

    It’s worth noting that one runs into the same problem dealing with perpetual motion hucksters, who come up with machines that are extremely complicated. They derive a lot of their success from the (mistaken) idea that many people seem to have about science: “If I need 20 pages to explain my idea, you need to write at least 20 pages to refute it.” If a scientist tells them that their idea is nonsense because it violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics, to a non-specialist this can seem like a dismissive and inadequate response.

    “gg suggested that it would be fun to debunk the claims. Sometimes that’s fun, but often — and especially after doing it a number of times — I find that it’s tedious.”

    It’s a lot more fun if you treat it not as debunking a crackpot, but as solving a scientific brainteaser! Some of the “paradoxes” the crackpots come up with can actually give you a little better understanding of relativity, if you take the time to analyze them. Others, as you’ve noted, are just a mishmash of complicated cases and flawed thinking that are painful to read.

  2. Nick on May 6th, 2008

    I actually think this might be a decent assignment for a physics class. You could probably craft a simple example of a hard-to-find catch just for a thermodynamics course but the really fun ones would probably encompass classes from the first two years.

  3. UIncle Al on May 7th, 2008

    As with Euclid, GR is mathematically valid. As with Euclid’s Fifth Postulate, successful GR challenge requires overturning a founding postulate wthout contradicting prior observation: The Equivalence Principle. Present two lumps that locally vacuum free fall along non-parallel trajectories and GR is demonstrated incomplete. We know by observation that **all** compositions of matter validate the EP. What else exists?

    Empty spacetime is isotropic to massless photons locally (arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031) and astronomically – no vacuum dispersion, dichroism, or gyrotropy. Spacetime need not be isotropic to mass distribution geometry – Cartan, Weitzenböck non-metric gravitation theories that wholly contain GR as a restricted case. Do local left and right shoes vacuum free fall identically? Nobody has looked.

    The parity Eötvös experiment: given chemically identical enantiomorphic mass distributions (e.g., atoms in crystallographic space groups P3(1)21 and P3(2)21 alpha-quartz), a first order EP violation arises from their diastereotopic interaction with a massed sector chiral vacuum background (opposite shoes fitted onto a left foot) in teleparallel gravitation with Weitzenböck spacetime torsion (transforms like Lorentz force in EM). Seedless single crystal enantiomorphic alpha-quartz test masses are identically sized and shaped consistent with Petitjean’s quantitative chirality measure – voidless, convex, with three identical moments of inertia. Net signal cannot originate in Newtonian gravitation (e.g., Green’s function), metric gravitation (Equivalence Principle), or string theory (BRST invariance).

    Is there a net signal anyway? Somebody should look.

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